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Tinnitus return

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Hi Dr Nagler



I thought long and hard before posting here as I know how it feels to suck up very last ounce of information on the Internet when tinnitus strikes - and I worried that the Tinnitus Return title would appear as another negative to read about, particularly to a new sufferer.



My question is really quite simple though, and if it gives anyone some comfort then I would be happy.



15 years ago I had Mr Humbuzz come to visit me. He stayed for around two months (I think) and in that time I contacted Jonathan Hazell who emailed me advice and supported me via the website for TRT.



One day, I simply realised that by not constantly monitoring Mr Humbuzz he'd left. Gone. And I'm convinced I didn't habituate as such. I'm certain he just disappeared.



Anyway, fast forward 15 years and he's back, similar time of year weirdly, and I'm still a bit in panic mode, anxious and disturbed sleep. I'm not trying to figure it out as such, and as far as I can determine I either habituate (win) or he goes away again (win). I'm about a month and a half in.



I've only seen the doctor to tell me it's not wax (I knew that before I went, but you know how it is with those straws that we just love to clutch at) and he just looked into my ear canal and said - not wax, it's tinnitus, so go away and come back in a trillion weeks. Well, not quite, but you get the gist.



My question is, could my T be due to "something" that could just right itself again? I don't know how else to word it.



Do you hear from people who get it, and it just goes, but not from habituation? Erm, apart from me, 15 years ago.



Oh, and thank you thank you thank you for your words on this site. It's kept me sane in some insane moments.



Regards



Zippy (sorry, genuine nickname)







Category: Your Questions and My Answers


Good Day vs. Bad Day - Please Read

What is a home theater enthusiast supposed to do?

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Hi Nagler,

I have a question.  One of my very top, passionate hobbies is home theater equipment and movies.

As such, I have a fairly elaborate audio system (receiver, sub, surround sound, etc.).

I'm trying to gauge an appropriate volume level as to preserve my hearing and not worsen my Tinnitus.

In fact, my hearing loss is likely due to playing levels too high when I was younger (and when I was in high school when I used to listen to VERY high levels of music in my car).  But we learn and move on.

I know it's generally not recommended to exceed 80-85 db for extended periods of time.  So, I have used a sound meter to measure loud peaks in movies.  Given I might watch 4 movies a week, average 2 to 2.5 hours a time, there are not many peaks that hit 85db given the level I play at on my receiver.  I've measured a number of movies with loud explosions for example (think Star Wars, Marvel comics movies, etc.).  Occasionally a brief peak could hit 90db for a couple of seconds here or there.  Seems like no biggie.  I also recall you saying once the 80-8db thing was valid for about 90% of the population, so there is always the slight chance I am outside of that.  I also recall the comment about you shouldn't have to raise your voice to talk to someone and I didn't feel levels were THAT high.

I watched the new Captain America movie (lots of action and explosions) last night with these guidelines and yet I wake up today with louder T than usual.  Maybe the T would have been higher regardless because after the movie last night, my ears seemed fine.  If it were the movie, I would think the ringing would have happened immediately after?  Note my ears felt fine during the movie as well and were not hurting or anything.

 It wasn't until I woke up this morning that I heard it.

Are my guidelines sound (no pun intended)?  I want to preserve my hearing and not cause unnecessary T aggravations.

Thanks.
Dave

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Techiques for PM and AM

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Hello Dr. Nagler,

Just a few questions to see if I'm on the right track.  Given the following, do you have any other suggestions, or comments.

As with a number of people with T I have difficulty sleeping -- I use a Sound Oasis machine, usually playing white noise when I go to bed.  It doesn't mask the T sounds I hear but I keep it on all night, and I follow your suggestions regarding sleep.  I'm currently weaning myself off of Zoplicone as per guidance from a pharmacist.  So far I haven't noticed any difference in my sleep -- having been doing the sound for 4 months, and reducing the sleep aid for the last month. 

In the morning I wake up with a head full of noise.  I wear hearing aids and set the white noise to the point where I notice it and then leave it at the level for the day.  I am retired and live where there is very little environmental noise; I keep fairly active but there is still a great amount of time when I'm not exposed to other people or sounds.  Any suggestions as to what I might be able to do during the day to help with the T's loudness, or perhaps better to say my awareness of the tinnitus?

Thank you,

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Your own TRT experience

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Dear Dr Nagler, 

I have read about you own Tinnitus odyssey and I thank you for sharing it.

However, I would also love to read about your own TRT odyssey (with for example details on how long you had to follow it, with whom, have you been using sound generators and how/for how long, etc…). Just an idea.

Thanks for this great board.

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Good Day vs. Bad Day

TRT recommendation, Hastings, Nebraska

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Dr. Nagler, the ringing in my ears has escalated as of late and I am in hopes of there being someone capable enough to help in Nebraska.  I live about an hour from the Kansas border in the center of the state.  Omaha and Lincoln are the two major cities.  They are 100 to 150 miles away.  Any chance of someone qualified in either of those two cities?  If not, where might be the closest?  Need to find something.  thank you for your time.  Kim

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My Own Story

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My Own Story
Dr. Stephen Nagler

.........

More than twenty years ago in a desperate search for relief from the omnipresent thunderous roaring in my ears, I eventually found my way to Tinnitus Retraining Therapy (TRT).

And thinking back on my personal experience as a tinnitus sufferer undergoing TRT, I cannot adequately convey how truly pessimistic I was about the whole thing. I figured that my tinnitus was likely the worst tinnitus anybody could possibly have and that those who succeeded in TRT could not possibly have had my tinnitus or anything close to it. Combine that with the fact that my progress in TRT was quite slow, and it was a miracle that I managed to stick with it at all. I was very fortunate, however, in three respects.

The first fortunate thing for me was that there was only one person in the US who offered TRT at the time I went through it as a patient in the mid-1990s. And even though that individual's clinic was in Baltimore some 700 miles from my home, it was Dr. Pawel Jastreboff himself. In other words, I was assured that my TRT clinician was top-notch, because it was he who invented TRT in the first place. Today, as I suggested in my article on Tinnitus Retraining Therapy, you have to do some homework to be sure that you are in knowledgeable and capable hands. There's a lot of "bad TRT" out there!

I was also fortunate in that I had the unconditional love of my wife and family. That love nourished and sustained me not only through TRT, but throughout my entire tinnitus odyssey.

My third advantage was that when I was a TRT patient, Internet tinnitus "support" was only in its infancy. I put the term "support" in quotes because all-too-often Internet tinnitus support, and here I am referring specifically to the Tinnitus Talk website, amounts to the polar opposite of support. I am as serious as a heart attack when I state that were that particular reservoir of negativity, misinformation, and ignorance in existence when I myself went through TRT, then no doubt I would have been drawn to it like a moth to a flame, and no doubt I would have given up on TRT without having ever allowed myself the chance to succeed. TRT can take up to a year or more to become maximally effective, and while one can sometimes enjoy appreciable improvement reasonably early on, for me there was little, if any, improvement for many months. So other than the fact that I had an outstanding TRT clinician as well as an incredibly devoted family, I would have to say that the single best thing I had going for me was the absence of Internet tinnitus support. You do not have to take some sort of leap of faith for TRT to be effective. But you do have to stick with the protocol even if you have some doubts. Bottom line: I never would have stayed with TRT long enough to benefit had Tinnitus Talk been around back then, confusing me with its pseudo-intellectual gibberish and trying to convince me that rather than "wasting my time" with TRT, I should be turning instead to lasers, stem cells, infusions, magnets, supplements, potassium channel openers, or perhaps some worthless product manufactured by one of their sponsors. 

These days as a tinnitus clinician I frequently ask tinnitus sufferers who contact me for advice and assistance where in their opinion they would fit on a 1 to 10 scale, with 1 being "I have tinnitus and I'd prefer not to have tinnitus but in the grand scheme of things I don't care much one way or the other because my tinnitus doesn't bother me," and with 10 being "I have tinnitus and my tinnitus has totally, completely, permanently, and irrevocably destroyed my life." Well that scale is my own. It is not published anywhere; I just use it to get an overall feel for things when I first evaluate a tinnitus patient. Anyway, over time Dr. Jastreboff (the gentleman who developed TRT and who had been my TRT clinician) and I have become friends. We met for lunch a year or so ago, and I happened to tell him about my little 1 to 10 scale. He sat back and sort of chuckled. I asked him what was so funny, and he told me that nothing at all was funny - but back when I started TRT, he would have put me at around a 15!

For more details regarding where I was on TRT Day One, please see A Patient's Perspective.

Now, on to my actual TRT experience ...

Tinnitus Retraining Therapy has two components: sound therapy and TRT counseling, the latter of which is essentially an individualized bidirectional educational process based on the Neurophysiological Model of Tinnitus. I determined that if I was going to invest the time and expense in TRT, I was going make every effort to follow both the sound therapy and TRT counseling protocols to the letter, which is precisely what I did.

The sound therapy protocol for my particular TRT category involved wearing a pair of broadband sound generators all day long every day. These devices were quite large and bulky - around three times the size of the tiny units used today - but I really didn't care. All I wanted was to get better. I would have worn Mickey Mouse ears if that is what the protocol required! I was instructed to set the devices each morning at the "mixing point," but I found that I could not do that because my tinnitus was so loud - so I set them each morning at the loudest volume that was not annoying and that did not interfere with communication, which is what I was told to do were I unable to set them at the mixing point. Also as instructed, at bedtime I removed the devices from my ears and simply turned on a tabletop unit with white noise or nature sounds that would play softly throughout the night. I followed the above sound therapy protocol religiously.

The counseling/education component in TRT is equally important as the sound therapy component. The protocol called for me to have an initial session with Dr. Jastreboff in Baltimore after which I would return to Baltimore for follow-up TRT counseling at three-to-four-month intervals throughout the treatment process. (Today some TRT clinicians can arrange to conduct the follow-up sessions by phone or Skype for patients who live at a distance, but that was not an option for me as a TRT patient myself more than 20 years ago.) And as instructed, I reported for the initial and follow-up TRT counseling sessions religiously. Some of the follow-up was repetitious, reinforcing what I already knew (or correcting what I thought I knew but had wrong!) But much of the follow-up was devoted to interpreting what I was currently experiencing with my tinnitus in a light that was consistent with the Neurophysiological Model. Interestingly and significantly, it was a week or so after my third follow-up session - roughly at the eleven month point in TRT - that things finally began to fall into place for me. So in my opinion the follow-up TRT counseling is very important.

I wish I could tell you precisely what I mean when I say that things began to "fall into place" after my third follow-up counseling session, but it's a bit difficult to put into words. Maybe the best way to describe it is that I noticed I wasn't being as meticulous or disciplined about wearing my devices according to protocol as had been my previous routine. Indeed, some days I was forgetting to put them in altogether. I knew, of course, how important the devices were to facilitating the habituation of my tinnitus, and putting them in and setting them each morning was quick and easy. So why was I forgetting? And then it dawned on me that the only possible reason I would be forgetting to put my devices in was that I was becoming less aware of my tinnitus and moreover that wearing them was becoming more of a hassle than my tinnitus. But wearing the devices was really no hassle at all! Which, if you think about it, is sort of a rudimentary definition of habituation of reaction and habituation of perception: I was reacting to my tinnitus less and consequently I was becoming less and less aware of it.

The end result? instead of being a 15 on that 1 to 10 scale, today I do not even look at it in terms of numbers. For sure my tinnitus today is every bit as loud as it was when I started TRT - like a 24/7 cross between a screaming teakettle and a roaring jet turbine. For sure my tinnitus today can interrupt my thoughts and distract me from time to time, which is why I would make a terrible diamond cutter, tightrope walker, or brain surgeon. But today I am largely unaware of my tinnitus as I go through my day, and when I do happen to suddenly become aware of my tinnitus, while it can totally and unpredictably distract me, it causes me little in the way of distress. Today I no longer view the world through the prism of my 24/7 loud screaming teakettle roaring jet turbine tinnitus; today I view the world through the prism of life. And that is what TRT did for me.

Dr. Stephen Nagler
Atlanta Tinnitus Consultants, LLC

Category: Success Stories


Temporary ring in ear

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Hello Dr Nagler

First i want to thank you for helping me with your posts in this forum and others.
Your writings have helped me during the dark times i have had with tinnitus. No longer am i a the depressed wreck that i used to be and partly that is thanks to reading your experience with tinnitus. 

I have had tinnitus for 10 years now and i can say i have habituated to the point that i enjoy my life like i used to. I stopped using masking sounds years ago and i sleep in total silence. The 4 different ringing sounds that i have in my head/ears only occasionally bother me when i try to sleep but i do not have sleepless nights. 

My question is that i have noticed that sometimes when i or someone else speaks i hear a passing ringing sound in my left ear and the moment i or the one who is speaking to me stops talking to me the ring/beep sound stops too. I hear the same sound when a car drives past me. Other sounds that are quite loud also trigger this ringing sound.

Is this Tensor tympani syndrome, because i also can feel sometimes when this happens the muscle contracting? 

Anyway, Thank you again for being a true lifesaver during my dark times and showing that there is light at the end of this tinnitus tunnel :)

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My Own Story

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My Own Story
Dr. Stephen Nagler

.........

More than twenty years ago in a desperate search for relief from the omnipresent thunderous roaring in my ears (and having tried most everything else imaginable), I eventually found my way to Tinnitus Retraining Therapy (TRT).

Thinking back on my personal experience as a tinnitus sufferer undergoing TRT, I cannot adequately convey how truly pessimistic I was about the whole thing. I figured that my tinnitus was likely the worst tinnitus anybody could possibly have and that those who succeeded in TRT could not possibly have had my tinnitus or anything close to it. Combine that with the fact that my progress in TRT was quite slow, and it was a miracle that I managed to stick with it at all. I was very fortunate, however, in three respects.

The first fortunate thing for me was that there was only one person in the US who offered TRT at the time I went through it as a patient in the mid-1990s. And even though that individual's clinic was in Baltimore some 700 miles from my home, it was Dr. Pawel Jastreboff himself. In other words, I was assured that my TRT clinician was top-notch, because it was he who invented TRT in the first place. Today, as I suggested in my article Tinnitus Retraining Therapy, you really have to do some homework to be sure that you are in knowledgeable and capable hands.

I was also fortunate in that I had the unconditional love of my wife and family. That love nourished and sustained me not only through TRT, but throughout my entire tinnitus odyssey.

My third advantage was that when I was a TRT patient, Internet tinnitus "support" was only in its infancy. I put the term "support" in quotes because all-too-often Internet tinnitus support, and here I am referring specifically to the Tinnitus Talk website, amounts to the polar opposite of support. I am as serious as a heart attack when I state that were that particular reservoir of negativity, misinformation, and ignorance in existence when I myself went through TRT, then no doubt I would have been drawn to it like a moth to a flame, and no doubt I would have given up on TRT without having ever allowed myself the chance to succeed. TRT can take up to a year or more to become maximally effective, and while one can sometimes enjoy appreciable improvement reasonably early on, for me there was little, if any, improvement for many months. So other than the fact that I had an outstanding TRT clinician as well as an incredibly devoted family, I would have to say that the single best thing I had going for me was the absence of Internet tinnitus "support." You do not have to take some sort of leap of faith for TRT to be effective. But you do have to fully follow the protocol even if you have some doubts. Bottom line: I never would have stayed with TRT long enough to benefit had Tinnitus Talk been around back then, confusing readers with its pseudo-intellectual gibberish and trying to convince them that rather than "wasting their time" with effective protocols like TRT, they should be turning instead to lasers, stem cells, infusions, magnets, supplements, potassium channel openers, or perhaps some worthless product manufactured by one of Tinnitus Talk's sponsors. 

These days as a tinnitus clinician I frequently ask those who contact me for advice and assistance where in their opinion they would fit on a 1 to 10 scale, with 1 being "I have tinnitus and I'd prefer not to have tinnitus but in the grand scheme of things I don't care much one way or the other because my tinnitus doesn't bother me," and with 10 being "I have tinnitus and my tinnitus has totally, completely, permanently, and irrevocably destroyed my life." Well that scale is my own. It is not published anywhere; I just use it to get an overall feel for things when I first evaluate a tinnitus patient. Anyway, over time Dr. Jastreboff (the gentleman who developed TRT and who had been my TRT clinician) and I have become friends. We met for lunch a year or so ago, and I happened to tell him about my little 1 to 10 scale. He sat back and sort of chuckled. I asked him what was so funny, and he told me that nothing at all was funny - but back when I started TRT, he would have put me at around a 15!

For more details regarding where I was on TRT Day One, please see A Patient's Perspective.

Now, on to my actual TRT experience ...

Tinnitus Retraining Therapy has two components: sound therapy and TRT counseling, the latter of which is essentially an individualized bidirectional educational process based on the Neurophysiological Model of Tinnitus. I determined that if I was going to invest the time and expense in TRT, I was going make every effort to follow both the sound therapy and TRT counseling protocols to the letter, which is precisely what I did.

The sound therapy protocol for my particular TRT category involved wearing a pair of broadband sound generators all day long every day. These devices were quite large and bulky - around three times the size of the tiny units used today - but I really didn't care. All I wanted was to get better. I would have worn Mickey Mouse ears if that is what the protocol required! I was instructed to set the devices each morning at the "mixing point," but I found that I could not do that because my tinnitus was so loud - so I set them each morning at the loudest volume that was not annoying and that did not interfere with communication, which is what I was told to do were I unable to set them at the mixing point. Also as instructed, at bedtime I removed the devices from my ears and simply turned on a tabletop unit with white noise or nature sounds that would play softly throughout the night. I followed the above sound therapy protocol religiously.

The counseling/education component in TRT is equally important as the sound therapy component. The protocol called for me to have an initial session with Dr. Jastreboff in Baltimore after which I would return to Baltimore for follow-up TRT counseling at three-to-four-month intervals throughout the treatment process. (Today some TRT clinicians can arrange to conduct the follow-up sessions by phone or Skype for patients who live at a distance, but that was not an option for me as a TRT patient myself more than 20 years ago.) I reported for the initial and follow-up TRT counseling sessions exactly as the protocol dictated. Some of the follow-up was repetitious, reinforcing what I already knew (or correcting what I thought I knew but had wrong!) But much of the follow-up was devoted to interpreting what I was currently experiencing with my tinnitus in a light that was consistent with the Neurophysiological Model. Interestingly and significantly, it was a week or so after my third follow-up session - roughly at the eleven month point in TRT - that things finally began to fall into place for me. So in my opinion the importance of follow-up TRT counseling cannot be over-emphasized.

I wish I could tell you precisely what I mean when I say that things began to "fall into place" after my third follow-up counseling session, but it's a bit difficult to put into words. Maybe the best way to describe it is that I noticed I wasn't being as meticulous or disciplined about wearing my devices according to protocol as had been my previous routine. Indeed, some days I was forgetting to put them in altogether. I knew, of course, how important the devices were to facilitating the habituation of my tinnitus, and putting them in and setting them each morning was quick and easy. So why was I forgetting? And then it dawned on me that the only possible reason I would be forgetting to put my devices in was that I was becoming less aware of my tinnitus and moreover that wearing them was becoming more of a hassle than my tinnitus. But wearing the devices was really no hassle at all! Which, if you think about it, is sort of a rudimentary definition of habituation of reaction and habituation of perception: I was reacting to my tinnitus less and consequently I was becoming less and less aware of it.

The end result? Instead of being a 15 on that 1 to 10 scale, today I do not even look at it in terms of numbers. For sure my tinnitus today is every bit as loud as it was when I started TRT - like a 24/7 cross between a screaming teakettle and a roaring jet turbine. For sure my tinnitus today can interrupt my thoughts and distract me from time to time, which is why I would make a terrible diamond cutter, tightrope walker, or brain surgeon. But today I am largely unaware of my tinnitus as I go through my day, and when I do happen to suddenly become aware of my tinnitus, while it can totally and unpredictably distract me, it causes me little in the way of distress. Today I no longer view the world through the prism of my 24/7 loud screaming teakettle roaring jet turbine tinnitus; today I view the world through the prism of life. And that is what TRT did for me.

Dr. Stephen Nagler
Atlanta Tinnitus Consultants, LLC

Category: Success Stories

Tinnitus Talk

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Hi Dr. Nagler,
Having read your reposted "My Story," I find I share your concerns about Tinnitus Talk, and I felt compelled to add my own two cents' worth. I joined Tinnitus Talk shortly after my exacerbation of tinnitus in May. While some very nice and congenial people welcomed me to the group, I found it to be largely a source of negativity and discouragement a time when I was very vulnerable. The more time I spent on Tinnitus Talk, the more (literally) depressed I became, to the point that my dear wife "banned" me from the site! Shortly after, I sought the help of an audiologist at a tinnitus clinic. Her first piece of advice was to steer clear of any tinnitus-related support forums. She insisted I limit myself to 20 minutes of legitimate research per week on reputable websites. (I find that the less time I spend on even reputable sites, the better off I am.) Had I not broken free of the support forum's negativity and misinformation, I might never have begun to put my experience with tinnitus into perspective and started to move on. I don't mean to offend any well-meaning folks who post helpful messages on Tinnitus Talk. It's just that they seem to be too few and far between, and the negativity does draw one in like a moth to a flame. 
Rob

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A new sensation

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Hello Dr. Nagler, 

My tinnitus started early June and since than I have been in almost constant anxiety because of it. Things started to improve about a month ago, I figured my stress only aggravated my Tinnitus so I started to take steps to reduce the stress. I picked up Tai-Chi, went to the gym daily, and visited the spa every week. I was finally getting a grip on this tinnitus thing and things were finally looking up as my perception of tinnitus decreased and I could sleep without masking even!

Until last Thursday went I noticed this new sensation in my right ear. It is a kind of whoosing sound that goes up and down constantly. On top of that it also reacts to sounds a lot. When I am under the shower,in the train, or listing to ambient noise it ramps up as if it is trying to compete with the sound. 

I am not sure if this is a hearing distortion or reactive tinnitus. I am curious how long this will last, what might be the cause and if it will improve over time. Just your perception of it in general would help.

Thanks in advance Dokter.





 

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New drone sound

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Hi Dr. Nagler,

I am 36 years old and I developed tinnitus mid-July this year. I am not entirely sure of the cause. It may be noise induced as I had been to a very loud bar (even if only for half hour?) a few weeks before. At the same time I had a slight inflammation of my left ear canal and I have had an otitis in the same ear last December. I have a quite stressful job and had been going through a tough time both from the professional and personal point of view, so stress may have been a trigger too. A mix of possible reasons then, the result is that I have been having this high-pitch ringing in my left ear - sometimes all the left side of my head - and a more subtle 'white noise' type of sound in my right ear. Short after onset I went to an ENT who prescribed a short course of steroids for the inflammation. I had an audiometric test and a tympanometry test performed at the same time, all regular, hearing very good up to the standard 8Khz.

The first two months have been absolute hell as I didn't even know what this condition was before. I tried (had to) keep on working and living but found everything extremely difficult, my anxiety skyrocketed, I struggled through each and every single day. My ENT wasn't particularly helpful, I tried to gather some info on line but certain messages on forums left me even more depressed and hopeless. Slowly though I tried to follow the suggestions given in some success stories and tried to get into a path of 'acceptance' and forced myself to live my life as normally as possible, using masking and ear protection when necessary. Far from perfect but I started to feel a bit better. In this spirit a couple of weeks ago I went back home in Italy and went for a long hike to the Dolomites with some friends. I am very sporty and used to do this sort of things a lot in the past. We did go quite high (up to 2,400m) but fairly gradually. I did wear earplugs at some points just because it was cold and it was the only way I had to protect my ears from the wind. The thing is, I didn't feel any problem while there (some ear popping on the way down in the car but that's normal?) but since I came back I have developed a new noise on my right ear which I thought to be my 'good' one. It's like a very low pitch drone, like a car engine in distance. It is absolutely horrible, scares me to death and is disturbing my sleep. I feel like my head is vibrating at times, my arms and legs are tingling and trembling too. Do you think it may be a consequence of the hiking and the change in pressure? Could be that my high anxiety is playing a big role in this? I am seeing an acupuncturists now who says my neck is very inflamed and he believes that to be the cause of the noises and a few acupuncture sessions should help. I don't know what to think anymore. Do you think this new noise may go away and if not do I have any chance of habituation to it? I feel like this new noise is much worse than the previous two I already had. :( Have you heard of anyone developing noises like this before? Most people online talk about 'ringing' which I believe is like what I have in the left ear.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks in advance for your answer,

Sonia

Category: Your Questions and My Answers

Tinnitus and OCD

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Dr Nagler,

I think I've read a bit too much on the internet since my tinnitus started, and I am probably under at least a few misapprehensions.  I have become rather paralyzed due to all the worrying and wondering, so I am hoping you can set a few things straight for me.

First of all, I have OCD.  It's mostly just obsessive thinking, not many compulsions or rituals.  One of the few compulsive behaviors I have is, I think, related to my tinnitus.  I can voluntarily control my tensor tympani muscle, and I've been doing this compulsively for a few years now.  This always raises eyebrows whenever I tell a doctor that I can do this, but I assure you, I can.  I don't know how to explain other than it's just like tensing any other muscle, except it's inside my ear. It makes a rumbling sound and I can feel it fluttering when I do this.  I can also voluntarily pop my Eustachain tubes (makes a crackling noise and relieves stuffy feeling), but that is a different thing altogether.

Anyways, for a while preceding the onset of my tinnitus, I had this "stuffed" feeling in my ears.  I thought this had something to do with my tensing of my tensor tympani muscle.  Sounds seemed muffled.  Music didn't sound as crisp.  I had a hearing test done, but I was told that my hearing was fine, and an ENT told me that me that there was nothing clinically wrong with me.  But I continued to obsess over this, over sounds seeming off, over whether I had damaged my ears somehow by tensing this muscle so much.

At the beginning of this past summer, I started to notice a very slight static sound in both ears.  I barely noticed it, and it didn't really bother me too much, but it was another thing to obsess over.  It was also around this time that I developed a sensitivity towards certain sounds, especially high pitched ones.  My ears didn't physically hurt, so I'm not sure that this was hyperacusis, but too loud noise was definitely more uncomfortable than it used to be.  And it was strange, because while I felt that I struggled to hear, it also seemed like everything was too loud.

One day, towards the middle of the summer, I was watching a show at a moderate volume with headphones when I noticed a very faint, high pitched, on and off ringing in my right ear.  It was really not very loud at all, and if I was distracted with something else I couldn't really hear it at all.  But I obsessed over it, and I went into panic mode about it.  I worried whether sounds made it worse, and not too long afterwards I stopped listening to music or watching tv, for fear of making it worse.  

I went to an ENT again, and was told that I had slight eustachain tube dysfunction.  I was put on a nasal spray and was told that everything would clear up.  I also started seeing a psychiatrist (after a hiatus) and we tried a number of drugs (clonazepam, lamictal, seroquel, and most recently remeron).  

Still, the tinnitus seems to have been getting worse and worse these past few months, and it is now in both ears (usually).  It keeps changing in type: sometimes it sounds like the sputtering of a car engine (although at a much higher pitch).  Sometimes it sounds like there is a bug flying around in my ear, or this high pitched (like 15,000 hz) unsteady flickering sound.  Right now there is just this pulsating very high pitch ringing sound in both ears.

It seems like it is getting worse and worse as time goes on.  I know that I don't have an acoustic neuroma, and I didn't have any sound trauma, and my hearing is still fine, so I'm not sure why this is happening, and what to expect in the future.  I have the perception that listening to music even at a low volume makes it louder (I know that you don't like the term "reactive tinnitus"), and I worry that this makes it permanently louder.  I've also read that drugs or different drug combinations can make it permanently worse, so maybe that's what's causing it.  Or maybe I have Lyme's disease (I do have a few other symptoms of it and my blood test came back equivocal positive) and that's what's causing it, but I don't want to go on doxycycline because I've read that that can make it worse too.  Or maybe it was just that I have been tensing this muscle too much, feeling stuffed in my ears, and clearing them too often, causing barometric trauma.  I just don't know what to make of this.  

Obviously I can't just sit in my room all day avoiding sound, but that's basically what I've been doing for fear of making it worse.

Let me know what insights you may have.

Thanks, and I apologize this was so long.  I just wanted to give the full picture.

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Sound generators

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Hi Dr Nagler,

I was wondering if the sound generators used in TRT were offering some short term relief with Tinnitus?

I know they are not supposed to mask tinnitus (makes sense - how could you habituate to something you are not experiencing), but do they tend to reduce Tinnitus perception while being used and make Tinnitus less noticable ?

Thanks and sorry for my poor english level.

S.



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How should I proceed in my life?

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Dear Dr. Nagler. 

I am a musician who has had (a pretty mild) T for a bit over a week now. The onset was late at night and came together with a headache. It is in one ear only and it has subsided a little bit since it started.

My question now would be: Can I continue my profession?
To make music, I have to sing, play guitar and use headphones to mix audio.
When I visited a T forum ive been told I would have to stop my profession. How bad are these 3 things for my T? I can practice guitar with earplugs in theoretically. (but would that create hyperaccoustics?) also I could can play very quietly. But singing can have a bit of forte in it and also I read that i shouldnt be using headphones at all. (not even at a quiet volume, which is what i would be doing (also with frequent breaks))

I really dont want to make my T worse, but I am thinking that I would fall into worse depression from quitting than a bad T could ever do. What should i do?

Thank you so much for your time :)

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Tinnitus Talk

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Hello All -

As those of you who follow this board regularly know, in my responses to various questions I have been outspoken in my criticism of Tinnitus Talk, a site that I consider to be a veritable repository of ignorance, negativity, pathology, and misinformation. I feel so strongly about this particular issue that I have posted: "If I were asked for the single best piece of advice I could offer any tinnitus sufferer in search of information and support, it would be to stay as far away as humanly possible from the Tinnitus Talk website."

On this board I strive to post accurate and frank responses to any and all tinnitus-related inquiries that you readers direct to my attention. My question to you is whether or not you believe that in those responses I have been too frank in my criticisms of Tinnitus Talk and whether or not I should just keep my opinions to myself regardless of how strongly I feel about that particular subject.

Thank you.

Dr. Stephen Nagler
Atlanta Tinnitus Consultants, LLC

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hey there Dr. Nagler

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I read your story and wanted to comment but no new replies are being accepted.  Just wanted to say how inspiring you are...I'm still doing well.  Living life and having lots of joyful times.  I have very little distress now and I go very long periods of being unaware--the times I 'hear' my tinnitus do not cause me distress unless I am tired or feeling negative.  You told me it was possible and it is.  I don't spend any real time on tinnitus boards except yours because I get your updates in my email.  I check in at a former board but rarely post as the same people still have the same problems.  My heart goes out to them and I am thankful that I have moved back into a good life.  It's almost 3 years now.  Wow...what a difference.

I'm always thankful to you for taking the time to help me and guide me through my strategy!

hugs-Kat

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TRT sound therapy while sleeping

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I've progressed since my onset in April to being able to sleep normally 80-90% of the time including going to sleep without any masking sound except for the TV on occasion and I've felt good about that.  However, an audiologist advised me that I should play a masking sound through the night while sleeping as a method of TRT.  Is that a valid technique that would help?

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Concerned about T

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Hello dr nagler,



First off what a wonderful website that you have and your dedication in answering questions and helping others. I have experience brief ringing in my ears that lasts for seconds before going away. This has gone on for several years. About two weeks ago I made a huge mistake at the indoor gun range where I shot one round from my handgun and forgot to place my ear protection on. When it happened I was in shock of how loud it was. I briefly had a ringing in my ears and then it stopped within hour or so. I have had no return of ringing since. But of course when I went into internet and saw tinnitus info I became parinoid. Should I be concerned that tinnitus could happen later on because of this incident? Or is this something that I was extremely lucky to avoid the damage associated with noise induced T? I know everyone is different when it comes to noise and T where some people get it and some don't. In your experience do you see T develop in patients with noise induced incidents down the road and not right away? Not sure I'm making sense with this question. But on another note thanks for your response in advance and keep up the great work with this website! Thxs John

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